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Hypersapien

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Is there really such a thing as a victimless crime?

Like speeding, for instance?

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Answer 1 / 4 - Submitted 157 days ago...

yackers1

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I don't think there is such a thing as a victimless crime, even when it comes to things like speeding and taking drugs. When a person speeds there is always a potential the driver could knock down and seriously injure or even kill an innocent bystander. The victim of speeding drivers are the people living in the local area as the time police spend looking for speeders could be better spent catching more hardcore criminals.

If a criminal takes drugs the victim is the tax payer who has to pay for that person to go and be treated in hospital or go through rehabilitation.

There is a victim in every single crime committed, no matter what it is.

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Answer 2 / 4 - Submitted 157 days ago...

lutonloo

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Yes I do consider many people who become "criminals" as a result of being caught exceeding the official speed limit by a speed camera can in many cases be fairly described as victims of victimless crime! That is because the vast majority of such convictions involve very responsible drivers who have never had an accident in their driving throughout their life, but merely got confused as to what the speeding limit was on that particular road. So even though they thereby got a criminal record, a big fine and 3 penalty points on their licence they harmed nobody nor was there was any potential in their driving a few mph over the official official limit of harming a kitten.

I would also submit people who go to jail for such offences as failing to pay their TV Licence or Council Tax are also victimless. Their inability to pay does not increase the liability of anybody else to pay the cost they did not pay, and in many places Council Tax is unjustifiably high because of the extortinate salaries of Chief Executives greedily lining their pockets on salaries even higher than that of thr Prime Minister at the expense of the genuinely poor in their Borough. Such Chief Executives of Local Authorities despite their high salaries all too frequently prove grossly incompetent in running their Local Authority, while TV licence fee goes into the pockets of overpaid twerps like Jonathan Ross earning £6 Million per annum while half those who have to pay are struggling to find the money to feed their children and pay for their home's heating! They are the true" victims".

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Answer 3 / 4 - Submitted 156 days ago...

mikejhca

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Once when I was at a large beach I noticed some nudists. If seen from a distance they can easily be avoided. So I would say it is a victimless crime to be nude in public if they are in a secluded location. Speeding is not a victimless crime. Where I am from they started calling it racing when people are caught going 50 km or more over the limit.

People caught racing have there cars taken away for a week or two and are charged. They started being tougher on people that do that because people that do it often end up killing someone. I was surprised to learn that a person that had killed some people was previously charged 5 times for speeding at very high rates of speed. He was an accident waiting to happen and he should have had his licence taken away before he killed someone. Going a little over the limit might be harmless but speeding causes a lot of accidents.

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Brvtvs

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When one thinks of crime, it's normal to think in terms of a perpetrator and a victim. If a crime is man vs. man, then the victim is apparent. If the crime is either man vs. state, state vs. man, or state vs. state, then the question becomes more complicated. In your example, a speeding infraction falls into the man vs. state category, where the state is the victim by proxy. Instances of state vs. man (torture and financial crime) are trickier, and state vs. state crime is understood in terms of war and war crimes. The trickiest part, perhaps, is when a crime is committed by an institution such as a bank, where responsibility and victimhood are notoriously difficult to assess.

So in the nominal case, there are no victimless crimes. However, there are plenty of crimes where there is no harm, which might better answer the spirit of your question. Turning right on red or running a stop sign when there is no other traffic present is harmless. Additionally, many municipalities have ordinances about the height of one's lawn. I would argue that there is no real harm in letting a lawn grow to an unsightly height, though others may argue that such conditions attract bugs and small animals. To me, nature is not a crime, nor are bugs, animals, or unkempt lawns.


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